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[ItalianDaydream]

http://ontariowrestlingsindyelite.com/articles/art_155_keepcardsclose.htm

[pete]

http://ontariowrestlingsindyelite.com/articles/art_155_keepcardsclose.htm

Quote from Terry Mathis:
 
"My chest literally hurt when I read this. Not only because this fan has the nerve to play Information Marketer or Look What I Have or Yep I Am A Super Fan or Yep, I Know The Guys type of game with his arrogant "send me a FACEBOOK message." In order to get the real scoop. But the fact that someone "high up" (if one, the guy/girl is "high up" and two, if the guy/girl actually exists) would simply take their cards and lay them out on the table for everyone to read."
 
I'm not surprised at all that certain people would get pissed off that I didn't make any of this information public, and I'm not at all surprised that someone took the time to write an article quoting me as your typical inside mark. I wish. Truthfully, I'm nowhere near the inside any more than the average fan except that I volunteer to write up results and sometimes full blown show recaps - resulting in the odd pat on the back from the promoters and some workers.
 
The information that was given to me from "Someone high up in RE" was intended for the benefit of the fans, since the defenders of ACCLAIM were already "spilling the beans" about info that really has nothing to do with the fans in the first place.
I'm not going to sling any mud back at Mathis because he did bring up a good point, the situation he brought up is far worse than he pointed out, especially in our region - you have not only inside marks giving away inside information, you even have wrestlers and promoters giving away information directly to particular fans, in a person to person manner that no fans should never hear.
 
Why the fuck are fans hearing stuff such as a promoter telling a fan "People from this promotion took our venue" or a wrestler telling a fan " I don't work for that promotion any more cause I quit working for them". This is but just a tiny example of stuff I hear that regular fans are hearing from promoters who are crying foul at the other promoters unfair business practices and disgruntled wrestlers who spill their grievences out to fans about promoters who fuck them over.
 
In conclusion, if anyone considers it "arrogant" that I have publicly stated that I have "inside information" and that I'm only willing to share it with my close wrestling fans, I'm really sorry you feel that way, since I was given that information for the benefit of fans who are getting caught up in the rivalry bettween ACCLAIM and RE - and like I also stated, if any of you "ACCLAIM defenders" have any problems with this take it up with RE. The list of close fellow wrestling fans that I would actually consider giving this info to amounts to less than 20, and this info really is not "exclusive", like I said, I'm willing to share with my close fellow fans,anyone else should have no problem getting the same info, just contact RE. I just felt it wouldn't serve any purpose posting this info publicly, since it would only draw heat towards Rage Wrestling, instead, it seems I took the heat all unto myself......hmmmm, it's really not too bad anyways, I can live with it.  
 
Terry, if you really want to see all the cards on the table, why don't you contact the management of RE. The real problem is, this message board is very pro-C*4 and strongly anti-RE, this is why the management of RE posts very little on this board, and me being their top fan, I post very sparingly news and results since all it does is attract heat - and from what I see, it doesn't matter what decision I make as far as posting info on RE on a C*4 board - I always make the wrong decision anyways!

[pete]

I see that Mark made good on his warning to me that he would edit my post if I refused to remove a specific piece of information that he didn't want any fans to see in the 4th paragraph. No point in re-editing my post as he will undoubtedly re-edit it again and again, and even delete me from the board if necessary. There are however plenty of other avenues in this vast universe that is called the internet. However, maybe I shouldn't bother.

No hard feelings Mark, the more I think of it, you were right that this was something the fans really shouldn't see, the real question is, how did any of the fans get to know such a "dirty little secret" in the first place? Well, just go back to the first sentence in the 4th paragraph.

Don't worry Mark, I agree that I shouldn't spill the beans on this "dirty little secret" that I shouldn't have even found out in the first place. I made my point, the real threat to this industry is not the odd bit of inside information that slips the tongues of inside marks, rather it is promoters and workers that spill the beans directly to fans.

[DieHard]

While I agree with much of what Terry had to say, it is really hard to play the cards as close to the chest as he suggests - especially when people get upset, as Acclaim (or it's supporters) did, and had their dirty laundry aired publicly (not sure if they, themselves, did that or just someone "in the know" did).  

In addition, you don't have to be in the business to have a friend in the business and, by proxy, know a little more than the average joe-fan.  And, to be quite honest, I think that most, if not all, of the people that frequent this board probably know many people directly involved in this little spat personally.  Is it a fault for promoters and/or talent to have friends outside the business and, as a result, they know a little more about what happens behind the curtain?  I, personally, don't think so.  But, yet again... I am one of those that consider some of the people involved here as more than just the role they play in the organization.  

Now (you can correct me if I'm wrong, pete) the purpose of pete's post wasn't to say "Hey, look at me!! I have info!! Be my facebook friend!!"  He, among others, was in a position to get information to hear the other side of the story, while people were just blasting away on RE, and let people know that, if they indeed wanted to hear the other side (there are 2 sides to every story while everyone was only getting one side hammered down their throats), they could contact him if they were interested in hearing it, instead of airing everything for all to see.  In looking back, I think that pete is the one holding his cards close instead of Acclaim or it's supporters in this fight.  

Was it wrong for anyone in RE to let anyone know their side?  The only time I would say YES to that question would have been if Acclaim or its supporters would have left their side out of it - then everything would have truly stayed "behind the curtain", so to speak.  However, RE can't just sit back and let themselves be blasted, and potentially lose some fans who might look down on them based on what they're hearing from the one and only side they were getting it from.  Knowing people in RE myself, I'm sure pete would have needed to explain himself if he asked "Hey.. what's going on with Acclaim and the stuff that's being posted on the message board?"  And I'm sure then, and only then, would he have been given the information and, solely, for the purpose in defending themselves and stating their point of view.  If there is any fed in this region that is really interested in returning to the "old way" of running it's piece of the wrestling business and holding it's cards close, I'd have to say it's RE.  

Anyway - personally, I think enough of this shit has passed that the only thing left is farts.  I really don't think anything new can come of this topic, and it maybe should die a peaceful death.  I'm sure everyone has heard the side of the story they're interested in and have already formed their opinions anyway.

[C*4]

Just to reference what Pete wrote... This is not a "dirty little secret", but more of an issue that I chose not to air publicly - and would prefer to keep it that way.
I  made a comment out of frustration to a fan, and apparently, as Pete has said it spread.  I will watch what I say from now on in public.

[Moonbase_Alpha]

*In Marge Simpson's voice*



"Whoooo wants ginger snaps?"

Sorry...just trying to lighten the mood a little...*cough*

[DieHard]

Ginger Snaps...

was that a stripper name or something? 

[Moonbase_Alpha]

Ginger Snaps...

was that a stripper name or something? 

It was from the episode when Homer went to space. Was also a Canadian horror movie trilogy.

[Shawn]

I'm confused ... is it Terry Mathis who runs ACCLAIM PRO WRESTLING, or someone else?

[DieHard]

I believe Terry is just an outside observer to this topic who is involved in the business... but I could be wrong.